Saturday, March 5, 2011

Fifth/Sixth Comment and more on ENV - Reply to CRW

ieshttp://www.evolutionnews.org/2011/02/lobbyists_resort_to_myth-infor044241.html

I will digitally sign the comments on this post once I turn on my VPN again and paste the signed copies.

Update: Okay, I have done what I have promised.

Here's this comment below, followed by this one thereafter.


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While I wholeheartedly doubt the alleged efficacy of things such as horizontal gene transfer or
duplication (I think they both just shuffle information that's already there while not producing
anything new), I understand that time and space constraints make that a difficult topic to
address here, but nonetheless the following caught my attention:

"ID is religious but not of a particular religion."

So it's not of any particular religion but it's still religious? Could you elaborate on this?

"To assert "intelligence" logically implies a designer/creator. Call it god, Yahweh, Allah, whatever.
ID requires a designer, which means some supernatural force is required."

I am the intelligence behind this very comment, so by your logic I must be a supernatural entity
right?
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Now the next one:

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Now here I find some things worth disputing:

"Unfortunately, there has yet to be a biological trait or attribute that is irreducibly complex. All
of the core examples from ID can be shown to be sliding scales from more to less complex."

This is probably one of the most common misunderstandings of Behe's arguments - he was
not arguing that IC systems are impossible to evolve any more than it's "impossible" to win
the lottery. It might happen, but this is not something we should treat as a real likelihood.

Are you claiming that not a single cellular system is unable evolve piece-by-piece while
retaining the same basic function or are you rehashing Ken Miller's straw man?

I think a good start in clarifying this dispute can be found here:

http://www.discovery.org/a/3408

...the fact the positive mutation is shown regularly in at least microorganisms..."

Can you give me a few key examples? And how do you define "positive" mutation?

I think Ryan has tackled the rest of what I disagree with on your comment but in the
meantime I look forward to your response to what I had said/asked so far.
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