Saturday, October 13, 2012

Semi-Hiatus Post

Okay so maybe I got WAYYY to deep in preventing imposters from... imposting.

As you can tell the lengths I went were a little too far. So I've decided to stop putting so much time and effort into this crap and just leave comments like a normal human being over at Uncommon Descent. That looks like an excellent community to have conversations with and I've neglected to make good use of it for a few years now. Time to change that - and time to start giving two cents here and there where possible.

Other than that, I've started a seperate blog dedicated to something I've never had the chance to put nearly as much effort into as I would have liked until recently:

 

 
That should turn out to be a cool project as it develops. In particular, the post that collects book defenses will be of use as time goes on. On top of that, it will be useful for catologing club discussion topics and allowing anyone else who wants to mirror what we do at a later date to do the same. I and a few others have started a mini revolution amongst otherwise apathetic persons who now realize just how fascinating this stuff really is. Can't wait to see how this turns out.
 
 
The only forseable purpose this blog might have is if I need to digitally verify that a statement came from me in some emergency circumstance. Oh, and the link to my public key sure would come in handy:
 
 
So to finish this off, I'd just like to point out that you can catch most of what I do on the IDEA club blog I linked to above as well as through occasional comments on Uncommon Descent and ENV.
 
-Jeffrey Helix

Friday, October 12, 2012

Comment on The Genome's Tale

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This is excellent material you have on the site so far. I hope you start blogging regularly again,
because you clearly know deeper material that I wish more people were aware of.
Perhaps I should join the conversations on Uncommon Descent again.
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Tuesday, October 2, 2012

Scaffolding and Irreducibility - Sententias

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Thomas - could you point to any biological examples of this scaffolding evolutionary process?
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Sunday, September 2, 2012

Comment on Sententias Post

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While I generally haven't considered myself to be a religious person, I will definitely be looking into this further.

You've definitely given me a lot to think about...
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Sunday, August 12, 2012

Response to "Hrafn" on Sententias

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1. No, it's an argument from evidence.

2. Any examples?

3. The only people changing definitions are the critics. First they rely on attacking false definitions
(Ken Miller for instance), then we call them out on it, then they accuse US of "moving the goal
posts." Happens the same way every time.

4. I know of only a few books that make a sociological analysis of Darwinian thought, but the
contents of those are irrelevant to what undirected processes are capable of doing.

5. When does this usually take place? By the same logic should people like Michael Ruse be
removed from the discussion?

6. Of course: http://www.uncommondescent.com/evolution/dont-fire-him-just-make-his-work-situation-a-living-hell/
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Endorsement of Sententias

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You've put together an excellent piece there, and it looks like I might become a regular reader
here even if I might have some disagreements beyond ID itself.

I think I'll actually start recommending this site to others.
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Monday, July 16, 2012

"What Are the Top Ten Problems w/Darwinian Evolution"

Multiple comments in for this post.

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I dare you (or anyone else on any side of this discussion) to define positive evidence.
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Dark matter? Quantum theory?

Do we throw those out of consideration by the same standard since the former cannot be
studied directly and the latter has no tangible mechanism?
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I'm definitely adding this ENV post to my collection of things to pass on to anyone who wants a
crash course on this debate.

As an addition within #4, I would add that selection also has trouble eliminating deleterious
mutations if they start off as neutral but become harmful as they accumulate. By the time the
aggregate effect of otherwise neutral mutations become negative, it's too late to eliminate them
 one by one.

This lack of foresight is a bigger problem for organisms with larger genomes, as highlighted in the
 book "Genetic Entropy."
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Tuesday, July 10, 2012

Comment on "Machine Revolution"

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Interesting read, I think I saw an animation of this somewhere a while back.

That "if-then" statement seems pretty broad though. I guess assuming a particular origin of a
biological feature has less to do with understanding how it actually works than what practitioners
of "normal science" would have us believe.

Now comes the flurry of commenters who think they are original when they insist this feature may
have other functions outside the flagellum.
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Monday, December 26, 2011

ENV - "How Bright is the Future of Intelligent Design?"

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Well, once my contribution(s) to the movement get underway I hope both the awareness and acceptance of ID becomes more widespread in my area. To think that today is the fourth anniversary of me becoming permanently interested in this debate; boy has time flown.

And Dover? Hard to say whether that harmed the "IDM" Jones decided to rule against or if it actually made people more aware of ID in the years that followed. The Scopes trial didn't stop undirected evolution from gaining a following, so perhaps Dover really should be taken lightly as well.

While it may not have garnered much attention until long after Fred Hoyle began to formulate the roots of ID as we know it today, I think it's far from dead.

If anything it's just getting started...


By the way, this might come in handy for anyone who wants an education in a field relevant to ID but does not wish to go about getting a full degree:

http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2011/mitx-education-initiative-1219.html

Wish this option was around <i>before</i> I started college. Of course, MIT's new certification won't make you a tenured professor somewhere in the foreseeable future. But for any origins junkie on either side this could turn out to be useful.
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Sunday, September 25, 2011

Reply to Nick Matzke on "Richard Lenski's Long-Term Evolution Experiments with E. coli and the Origin of New Biological Information"

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I've only had a chance to skim through some of what you've written, but here's my two cents
on things that caught my attention:

<blockquote>"1. Agree or disagree -- Michael Behe accepts that evolution can produce new
genes, and thus new information."</blockquote>

You've pretty much engaged in the very thing Luskin called out Dennis Venema for. Producing
 <i>something</i> is a far cry from producing <i>everything.</i>

<blockquote>"Please define "fundamentally new". Creationists/IDists regularly use such
vague language as an escape hatch when their claims are under pressure, but they never give
a precise, scientific definition of "fundamentally new"."</blockquote>

http://www.uncommondescent.com/comment-policy/put-a-sock-in-it/

Is their response to the question of <i>"What Do You Mean by “Constructive” Beneficial
Mutations Exactly?"</i> good enough?

And what is a "precise, scientific definition" supposed to look like to you? I agree that the
kind of information/traits we are talking about must be decided before a verdict can be
ruled about any evolutionary outcome. But if the standards for a useful definition are not
defined ahead of time, then all Design critics will do is just declare any new definition
someone puts forth for new traits/information as being insufficient.

<blockquote>"Please note that if "fundamentally new" means "no significant sequence
similarity to other genes, then, at the very least, most of most genomes is not
"fundamentally new" and thus could have evolved from common ancestors without violating
 Meyer's "law"."</blockquote>

I'm pretty sure there is a big enough difference between the genomes of <i>past</i>
ancestors (yes, I am assuming common descent is a fact here) and the species of
<i>today</i> to see plenty of fundamentally new sequencing in the process. Even if there is
significant sequence homology, surely a <i>new feature</i> would require a <i>new set of
information</i> to generate it, correct?

<blockquote>"A new gene with a new function has got to be a fair amount of new
information, doesn't it? If it isn't, you can't go around claiming that genes have lots of
information in them, which Meyer et al. clearly do."</blockquote>

Agreed (as I said above), but there's nothing about that which Meyer or Luskin would deny.
The disagreement is over whether or not new biochemical features touted as evolutionary
success stories are beyond the UPB threshold. (see below)

<blockquote>"So, if mutation and natural selection produce 10 bits, what magical process
stops them from adding another 10 bits, and another 10 bits after that?"</blockquote>

If low probability is a "process" then there's your answer. The main (but not the only)
argument made from the ID camp as I understand it is that it is unlikely for new traits to be
generated by evolutionary processes - just minor variations on what's already there to begin
 with.

But more importantly, you've missed the point that Meyer was originally making and that
Casey just pointed out below, namely that Meyer was referring to information in a
<b>pre-biotic</b> context and not in a biological/Darwinian sense. Thus you're focusing on
an <i>entirely different</i> problem from what Luskin and Meyer were referring to.

In your next paragraph you basically state that <i>seperate isolated</i> cases of
evolutionary processes producing a bit or two of information can all "add up" to 500 bits of
information; thus Meyer, Dembski, or anyone else who agrees with their work is wrong.

There are two main problems with this:

1. First, when anyone speaks in reference to the Universal <b>Probability</b> Bound in any
way, it refers to a <i>probability</i> of 10 to the negative 150th power; not necessarily
<i>500 bits,</i> and this is where I think you and Luskin are talking past each other. The
difference?

Generating 500 bits by <i>chance alone</i> is equivalent to the UPB, but it's clear that you are
 not referring to chance alone being involved in the production of new features. Thus 500
<i>bits</i> may be generated without it being something approaching an
<i>improbability</i> of 10 to the negative 150th.

So if there is <i>more than blind chance</i> involved in generating information, then the
question should not be, "Did we generate 500 <b>bits?</b>" but rather, "Is the
<b>probability</b> of generating this more or less likely than 10 to the negative 150th?"

2. Now here is the main issue I have with the idea that <i>seperately isolated</i> cases of
generating <i>smaller changes</i> that don't quite reach the UPB threshold can "add up to"
a total net increase in function that renders the UPB false. The difference between seperate
 cases of small information increase and an entire new feature that reaches the UPB
threshold makes all the difference.

Here are separate isolated cases (in this case, words) of information:

TO PROBABILITY THE LESS FIFTIETH RANDOMLY TO THAN GENERATE ONE POWER BOUND
SENTENCE OF PROBABLE THE HUNDRED TEN UNIVERSAL IS THIS 

Each word is less improbable to randomly generate than the UPB. But that does not mean
that they all "add up" to something meaningful.

Now here is a full string (or sentence) that - if you were trying to randomly generate it -
reaches the level of Dembski's Universal Probability Bound:

THIS SENTENCE IS LESS PROBABLE TO RANDOMLY GENERATE THAN THE UNIVERSAL
PROBABILITY BOUND OF TEN TO THE ONE HUNDRED FIFTIETH POWER

As you can see, there is a huge difference between <b>separate</b> cases of producing
something of a probability that is greater than UPB and a case in which a feature <b>as a
whole</b> manages to surpass that threshold.

<blockquote>"If you can't produce an explanation that is as detailed and well-evidenced,
why should scientists take ID seriously in this case?"</blockquote>

A few points on this one:

1. Didn't you say it makes no sense to expect that a theory must explain <i>everything</i> in
 order to be true?

2. If we find that undirected processes are incapable of generating something and we know
that intelligence has far greater causal adequacy of producing anything analogous, then
what should we conclude?
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Friday, September 23, 2011

First Comment on "Richard Lenski's Long-Term Evolution Experiments with E. coli and the Origin of New Biological Information"

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Oh just wait!

There will be a multitude of people arguing that evolutionary theory has not been
falsified because...


1. We didn't use the right microbial strain.

2. Different test conditions would've produced better results.

3. The experiment just needs a little more time.

4. Evolution never had a "goal" of producing new information, but it could.

5. There must be some kind of multiverse to give enough trials.


...all while simultaneously claiming that ID is untestable and has already been falsified.
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Tuesday, August 23, 2011

Second Comment on ENV - New Scientist Weighs in on Origin of Life

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<blockquote><i>JonathanM naively assumed back then that a severe difficulty with the RNA
world was that you would have to first separately assemble base, ribose, and phosphate, and
then assemble all three.</i></blockquote>

I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure producing <b>some</b> nucleotides (half in this case)
under <b>heavily orchestrated</b> conditions (manipulating pH, temperature, and UV
radiation levels) doesn't make his claim about <b><i>prebiotic</i></b> conditions any less
 true.

I found the following statement Charles Garner made a few years ago pretty relevant to this:

<blockquote>"The starting materials are "plausibly" obtainable by abiotic means, but need to
 be <b>kept isolated</b> from one another until the <b>right step,</b> as Sutherland
admits." [<i>emphasis mine</i>]</blockquote>

So do they only form independently or is the Sutherland paper just another case of citation
bluffing?

<blockquote><i>This shoots his credibility; scientists are supposed to admit their
mistakes.</i></blockquote>

I can agree with this, but deciding who is losing credibility is where we part ways.

In the meantime I would like to note that I envy you Jonathan M. I hope to acquire the same
depth of knowledge myself so I can put it to use and disseminate it to others.

- From behind seven proxies of course.
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Friday, August 19, 2011

ENV - New Scientist Weighs in on the Origin of Life

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Interesting how Nick Matzke (on the Pandas Thumb) thinks that the Sutherland experiments
(which you already address in this post) went right past your head - even though
you address that research in the last quarter of your post.

Not that those experiments haven't been addressed on ENV already though:

http://www.evolutionnews.org/2009/07/scientists_say_intelligent_des022621.html
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Friday, August 5, 2011

ENV- Question About Berlinski's Previous Work

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Speaking of Berlinski, does anyone know if the following got translated into English?


http://www.evolutionnews.org/2008/05/yet_another_new_berlinski_book005949.html
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Wednesday, August 3, 2011

ENV - "The Glory Beyond: David Berlinski's Elementary Mathematics"

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<i>"You're supposed to be impressed not by the wisdom of anything that's said -- because no one says anything memorably wise -- but by the prestige of the job descriptions, titles, awards and academic affiliations that appear in quick succession in a corner of the screen."</i>

That would appear to sum up half the arguments presented on their part.

I remember first hearing the arguments that higher-level math capabilities developed in humans as the result of sexual selection - in the context that knowing Maxwell's equations should have the same effect as having colorful peacock feathers.

When I passed this on to a friend he cracked a joke about it on UD that I really think shows just how bizarre it is, but I can't say it's appropriate to repeat it here.
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ENV - "The Professor and the Madman"

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Andrew,

No one denies he said many things in public that would encourage people to support his rise to
power.

There is a term generally used by people in the Darwin lobby to refer to taking individual quotes
out of context to attribute views to the person that they themselves never had. That term
escapes me at the moment...
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Monday, June 20, 2011

Comment on "Colliding With the Pharyngula"

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"Wow, you've really risen the ranks in a matter of months to become a top-notch advocate for this. I honestly wish I could take it upon myself to go to the same events and make it apparent which side I'm on, but my current circumstances don't allow it to be risk-free.

The other day I was pondering the fact that numerous critics of ID accuse it of being a religious movement - even in cases when they admit that it is based on cause and effect knowledge of what we can observe - and not on sacred text.

It turns out that by their logic there have been huge sums of money funding a key "creationist" movement for some time now...

http://www.seti.org/

Maybe we should call the ACLU on this one?"
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Saturday, June 4, 2011

ENV - "Inherit the Wind at Christianity Today"

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It's about time we've seen something to correct the misrepresentations in Inherit the Wind. If
there happens to be any screenings of Alleged in my area I will be one of the first to register.

In the meantime, perhaps someone should send the folks at Christianity Today a copy of "Summer
for the Gods" so they can more accurately report what they're trying to cover.
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Friday, April 22, 2011

UD: Comment (Actually a Critical Question) on "Good Friday Thoughts"

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I asked this earlier, but didn't get an answer so I'll ask again.

If I hold that ID has the most powerful explanatory power, but don't think any real agency exists,
 am I still an IDer?

By this I mean in the context of an atomic model that - while not accurate to scale - still gives us
 a better understanding of how the whole thing works.
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ENV: First comment on, "The New Evangelism"

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Like all theistic evolutionists - he's either not aware of the discrepancy he's ignoring or he's really
just another front-loader unwilling to admit what he really thinks. Case in point:

http://www.evolutionnews.org/2007/10/behe_to_miller_youre_an_intell004407.html
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